The monthly meeting of this Council was held on Monday, the members present
being MESSRS. W R. SPEIRS (presiding), J. LEAKE, G. JACKSON, W. HERDMAN,
W. CRAIG, J. JACKSON, J. C. BELL, W. R. FORSTER, J. WAUGH and T. W.
BIRKETT, the clerk (MR. WILKINSON), with MR. MAXWELL, MR. GRIEVE, and MR.
DINNING on behalf of the Parochial Committee.
THE LATE MR. FIDLER.
The Chairman said that before going on with the business of the meeting, it
was only right that mention should be made of the late member, MR. W.
FIDLER, and that a vote of sympathy with his widow and family should be
passed. As a member of the Council, MR FIDLER had always taken an active
and intelligent part in the business that came before them, and it was the
duty of the Council to recognise his services. - MR. J. LEAKE moved, and MR.
WAUGH seconded, that an expression of sympathy and condolence be sent by the
Clerk to the widow and family and the father and mother of MR. W. FIDLER,
and it was carried.
Plans for the proposed rebuilding of the Blue Bell Inn were submitted by MR.
SPENCE, architect. The Chairman said they had been examined by the
Committee, and with one exception were apparently all right. That exception
was a drain at the back from the stables, which was shown drained into the
sewer, but MR. GRIEVE informed them that it was an impossible outlet, and in
any case, the Medical Officer would object to matter of that kind going into
the sewer. The Committee thought they should be recommended for approval
with that exception.
MR. GRIEVE said there would have to be a cesspool. The plans should be sent
back. There had been a lot of complaints with regard to the Hemel Barn, and
the more matter they allowed to go, in the more it would be polluted.
CHAIRMAN: We have been in the habit of passing plans subject to
alterations. If we do so with these they will not come here again.
MR. HERDMAN thought the only course they could take would be to pass the
plans on to the District Council, calling the attention of the Medical
Officer to the fact that the drain in question had an impossible outlet.
This course was adopted.
Plans were submitted from MR. BELL for new dwelling houses in Westgate,
adjoining the new Post Office buildings.
The CHAIRMAN pointed out that the front building was in accordance with the
bye-laws, but there were three cottages shown to which there was no proper
access. It was agreed to recommend the front plan for approval, but reject
the three cottages.
Plans were submitted from MR. LONGSTAFF for eight dwelling houses in a field
in the lane leading to Wydon. It was pointed out that these would be within
statutory distance of the land which the Joint Burial Committee are
negotiating for, to form a new cemetery, and MR. HERDMAN suggested that MR.
LONGSTAFF should give an undertaking not to object to the cemetery. It
appeared, however, that the plans showed only one ashpit for seven houses,
and they were disapproved.
A plan from MR. E. LEAKE, for a wooden outhouse which he had removed to
another portion of his premises, was approved.
Amended plans of four dwelling houses onn the east side of Wydon Lane,
submitted by MR. JOHN IRVING, were recommended for approval.
BUILDERS AND WATER MAINS
MR. MAXWELL reported two applications for extensions of the water main to
buildings about to be erected, one from MR. STRACHAN for houses in the West
field, and one from MR. JOHN IRVING to the houses referred to above, also in
MR. DINNING explained that the existing main reached to MR. SPRAGGON's
house, but for the last 120 yards it was a private pipe belonging to the
proprietors of Tyne View.
MR. HERDMAN thought they should take into consideration further possible
extensions to the houses proposed to be erected by MR. LONGSTAFF, and have
the pipe sufficiently large.
MR. DINNING: It is a two-inch pipe, and the whole town supply comes in a
four-inch pipe, so that it is equal to one-fourth of the whole supply.
MR. J. JACKSON said the proprietor would be willing for the 120 yards of
private pipe to be taken over for £12 or £12 20s.
On the motion of MR. WAUGH, seconded by MR. BIRKETT, it was decided that the
District Council be requested to grant both applications.
MR. HASTEWELL ASKS FOR AN APOLOGY.
The Clerk read the following letter:
Market Place, Haltwhistle, March 21st, 1898.
To the Chairman of the Haltwhistle Parish Council
Sir, - I notice from the report of your last parish meeting that I was
charged with having built houses larger than the plans passed for the same
by your Plans Committee, thus breaking a byelaw.
I beg to say I was not aware of it, and on inquiring of my architect and
your sanitary inspector (who has measured the plans since), I find it is a
I therefore hope that those who made a false statement will be as honourable
in taking the first chance of correcting the mis-statement in as public a
manner as the erroneous charge was made.
I am, sir, yours sincerely,
MR. HERDMAN: I think it was not any member of the Plans Committee who made
MR. GRIEVE said he measured both the plans and the houses and they were
The CHAIRMAN: May I ask this question? Were you aware when the plans were
before us that the gable ends would project three feet into the road?
MR. GRIEVE: No
The CHAIRMAN: I do not think the plans would have been passed if we had
MR. GRIEVE; There was no block plan.
The CHAIRMAN: That was the mistake.
MR. BELL: At the last meeting, I understood MR. GRIEVE to say that he knew
the houses were three feet out on the roadway.
MR. GRIEVE; No, it was mentioned before that he had encroached on the
street. As soon as I heard that I went, before coming to the meeting, and
measured and found he had done so. I spoke to him, and he admitted that he
had done so, but of course the road was not then laid out.
The CHAIRMAN: No sensible person would have passed a plan allowing the
houses to project three feet into the roadway.
MR. G. JACKSON: He gave JOHN IRVING £5 damages for building out as he did.
MR. BELL: That MR. GRIEVE was not aware that the buildings were going to
project, shows that the plans were not looked at properly.
The CHAIRMAN; I don't think we can accuse anybody of negligence.
MR. BELL: We must accuse somebody.................
MR. LEAKE: When I bought part of the property, there was a block plan, the
road was shown, but the plan was not signed by the authorities.
MR. BELL: It appears the houses are built according to the plans.
MR. GRIEVE: They are according to the plans by measurement, but if a block
plan had first been submitted for approval, he could not have built out into
the road. The block plan was never passed.
MR. G. JACKSON: The block plan was produced but never passed, but if MR.
HASTEWELL had not encroached, he would have had no need to pay £5 to another
MR. BELL: He might be of opinion that if he made it right with other
owners, the Parish Council had nothing to do with him.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: It seems to me that the District Council was as much to blame
as anybody. It should rest with them to take what action they think
MR. BELL: I don't think they will take any action.
MR. MAXWELL: They have appointed a Committee.
The CHAIRMAN: We must leave it to them.
MR. HERDMAN: I think we are equally culpable.
MR. WAUGH: Will he be willing to give land on the other side ?
MR. BELL: He does not object to that.
The CHAIRMAN: It seems such a farce to make the road zig-zag when it could
have been straight.
MR. BELL: He asks for an apology.
The CHAIRMAN: There requires an apology from both sides.
MR. J. JACKSON: Better hear what the District Council says.
MR. BELL: Leave it to the next Council to apologize.
The matter then dropped.
MR. GRIEVE drew attention to what he thought was likely, if not checked,
would be a recurring nuisance. A cartman engaged in emptying an ashpit, had
loaded his cart to a full, and the droppings in consequence fell on the road
and created a disagreeable nuisance. He had got it removed as soon as
The CHAIRMAN thought the present system of refuse removal formed a strong
argument for an Urban Council.
MR. HERDMAN moved that the District Council be requested to issue handbills
cautioning cartmen against causing a nuisance in this way, and intimating
that anyone so offending would be prosecuted.
MR. BIRKETT thought that they might also suggest that the work of removal
might be carried out at an earlier hour.
The motion was carried.
BEATS THE ELECTRIC LIGHT.
The report of the Lighting Committee recommended the payment of £86 2s 6d to
the Gas Company for lighting the public lamps, and £1 6s for the two oil
lamps near Pit Cottages.
MR. BIRKETT explained that, deducting 4s 6d, the price of a drum for holding
oil, the cost of these lamps was about 92 6d each, from October till the end
of the season in May.
MR. BELL remarked that this was very cheap; oil would knock out the
electric light. He moved that a vote of thanks be accorded to the Gas
Company for lighting the lamp at the Presbyterian Church free of charge, and
it was agreed to.
The committee recommended that a lamp which was to be taken down opposite
MESSRS. OLIVER and SNOWDON's during building operations, be removed to the
gateway at the crossing to the back road near MR. FIDLER's and that a
bracket lamp be placed on MESSRS. OLIVER and SNOWDON's.
The report was adopted.
THE NEW CEMETERY.
The CLERK read the following letter from the Joint Burial Committee to the
"I am directed by the above committee to inform you that they have purchased
(subject to the approval of the Secretary of State) from the trustees for
the Lords of the Manor of Haltwhistle, a field on the Crossbank Farm for the
purpose of a burial ground.
The amount required to be paid for the purchase of the field, walling,
drainage, laying out, &c., will be borrowed, and repaid in so many years.
Your committee therefore request an expression of opinion from your Parish
Council as to whether they consider the money borrowed should be apportioned
and calculated on the rateable value of each of the parishes interested in
the burial ground."
MR. WAUGH: How many acres is it proposed to purchase ?
The CLERK: About three.
MR. HERDMAN said the letter only asked for an expression of opinion with
regard to the apportionment of the money, but the Joint Committee would be
glad to have the opinion of the Councils concerned also as to the
suitability of the field if they thought fit to give it.
MR. WAUGH said that after MR. JACOB ROBSON's field, which the committee had
not been able to get, he thought they had made the best possible choice. For
what term of years did they propose to borrow: fifty ?
The opinion was expressed that fifty years was too long: the ground might
be filled up in that time.
MR. WAUGH: It should last 500 years. An acre has lasted more than that and
this is three acres.
MR. BELL moved that the Council approve both of the land chosen and the mode
of apportioning the loan, and this was agreed to.
THE WATER CHARGES AGAIN.
MR. LEAKE had given notice of a motionn to the effect that the charge upon
builders and manufacturers using water for other than domestic purposes be
either done away with or reduced. He said that from the statement made by
the Chairman at last meeting, it appeared that they could not interfere with
these charges, the money being paid over to MR. HOPE WALLACE. He would like
to know whether MR. HOPE WALLACE got all the money paid by manufacturers and
The CHAIRMAN: I don't think he gets all; there will be a contract between
him and the District Council.
MR. WAUGH: We cannot alter the contract.
MR. LEAKE: That is so, but I think the way in which this charge had been
manipulated is unfair. Lots of people use it for other than domestic
purposes who are not charged at all. I move that the District Council be
requested to look into the matter, to charge all round, and charge a little
less if they can.
MR. BELL seconded.
The CHAIRMAN: I think that is all we can do, pass it on to the District
Council. They will know what the contract was.
MR. BELL: The reason why I seconded the motion is this. You will find they
charge a shilling for a trough running all the year round. Compare that
with the charge made upon a builder, who does not use a quarter as much.
The charge is badly distributed.
The CHAIRMAN: This motion will put all right.
MR. LEAKE: There are two engines at cornmills, one on the old road, and the
other at MESSRS. OLIVER and SNOWDON's which use the water and they are not
charged at all.
The CHAIRMAN thought it undesirable to mention names, but MR. HERDMAN said
the Parish Council should give the District Council all the information
possible. It was more the business of the Parish Council to give this
MR. J. JACKSON: A motion was carried here that I should give the
MR. BELL: It was all over a little book that we could not see. Now we have
seen it, and it has revealed all the secrets.
The CHAIRMAN: Perhaps it would be better to make a general reference. It
has been moved to call the attention of the District Council to the use of
water for other than domestic purposes, and that all so using it be asked to
pay, and that the charge be reduced if possible.
The motion was carried.
A POINT OF PROCEDURE.
MR. LEAKE said he would like to mention that he wished to speak at the
recent Parish Meeting, but was not allowed by the Chairman to do so, on the
ground that it was contrary to the rule. He had consulted the Act, and
found that he had a perfect right to speak.
He then read a section of the Act, which states, "Any candidate may attend
and speak at the Parish Meeting, but unless he is a Parochial elector he
The CLERK explained that the CHAIRMAN at the late Parish Meeting acted under
instructions sent by the Local Government Board. The tenor of the
instructions, as the CHAIRMAN understood them, was that a candidate could
speak in reply to any questions put to him, but not get up to make a set
The CHAIRMAN: Of course it could be easily arranged. If any candidate
wanted to speak, someone could be put up to ask him a question.
MR. LEAKE briefly proposed a vote of thanks to the CHAIRMAN and
VICE-CHAIRMAN for their services during the year.
MR. WAUGH seconded, and it was carried unanimously.
DR. SPEIRS in acknowledging the vote on behalf of MR. HUDSPITH and himself,
said that his own part of the business had been very small, as the CHAIRMAN
had attended on most occasions. For his own part, he had always found the
members willing to support him. The business had been carried on in an
amicable manner, and he hoped the next Council would be equally fortunate.